**Listed below are mostly Craps Pit visitor submitted systems*.**

**Have your system added to the list by e-mailing me at **starchip@live.com

For all even-money betting.

System betting means you're using a specific strategy in trying to be a
winner. However, in the long-run, the odds favor the casino and no system can change that
fact. That is not to say systems can't work beautifully in the short term.

What makes the 1 - 3 - 2 - 6 System attractive is that you risk only
two betting units for a chance to win ten units. You can make a nice profit with a minimal
investment.

The first bet is one unit, if you win, add another unit, making the
second bet a total of three units.

If you win the second bet, there are 6 units on the table. Remove four
units, making your third bet two units.

If it wins add two more units, making it a total of six units for your
fourth bet.

If the fourth bet wins you'll collect a total of 12 units, of which ten
units are profit!

If you lose the first bet, the loss is one unit. Assuming you win the
first, but lose the second bet, your net loss is two units.

If you win the second, but lose the third bet, you have a profit of two
units.

If you win the first three bets but lose the fourth bet, you'll break
even.

If you lose the second bet five out of six times and win four
consecutive bets once, you'll be right back to even.

Use this system for even-money betting at any game.

Good Luck!

If you would like to explore other, more serious systems, and/or investigate my SUPERIOR ROULETTE

SYSTEM at http://www.letstalkwinning.com/roulys.htm.

Thank you. Tony R Frank

www.letstalkwinning.com

www.gambleclicks.com

Another explanation of the same system:

**The 1-3-2-6 System
**The name of this system says it all. It is based on the premise that you can
win four times in a row.

Your initial bet is 1 unit, the second 3 units, the third 2 units and the fourth 6 units.

Let's assume that each unit is $10 and the odds are 1:1 - even money.

( 1 ) The first bet is $10. ( you win )

they pay you $10 + $10=$20 you add $10 more off your money making the second bet $30 you now have $20 of your money at risk plus $10 of casino money

( 2 ) When winning again on the second bet, there would be $60 on the table Of this you take down $40

$30 + $ $30 = $60 -$40 = $20

( 3 ) The third bet is $20. The third bet wins, you will have $40 on the table to which you add $20 making a total of $60 for the fourth bet.

$20 + $20 =$40 +$20= $60

If the fourth bet wins, there would be a total of $120, of which $100 is net profit.

$60 + $60 = $120 - $20 = $100 profit

Now all the bet with the profit is taken down and you start the system all over again at $10.

If you lose the first bet, your loss is $10.

The second level loss is $20.

At the third level, a loss will give you a net profit of $20.

At the fourth level, a loss leaves you breaking even.

Each time you lose, you start all over again at $10.

The attraction of this system is that you risk $20 at a chance of making $100 net profit. This means you can lose five times, and with one win get your money back

bigkahnman@aol.com

This is a mixture of Martingale and Insurance systems. Bets are raised one
unit after each losing bet and lowered one unit after each winning bet. The
sequence and amount raised or lowered can be varied to suit particular games and
odds.

System description courtesy of Advice
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Fibonacci progression 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,
etc.

Where each number is a sum of the previous two numbers.

Basic idea is to get two wins in a row.

For each loss, step up one in the progression.

For each win, make the same bet again.

If win again, start progression over. If lose, advance one step.

Unknown contributor.

BTW, in the fibonacci you don't need 2 wins in row to begin
again.....WLW also gives you a win on the series. Kayjay

This is a good system as WLW shows a profit. However, I would add the
following:

If PASS just won, bet on PASS. If DON'T PASS
won, bet on D.P.

Play the winning side and you will catch any
streak of wins. This will work on Craps, Roulette, Baccarat. James T Mays

A betting method to apply to all systems.

We all have losing bets and when we lose we want to recoup
that money. Some try the Martingale. i.e. 1-2-4-8-16, etc. Seasoned players know
this is a sure way to leave the table broke and with an attitude.

Try the Knockdown instead.

When you lose a one unit bet replace it with only one unit
the first go. Then your progression will be 1-1-3-6-12, etc., ( I strongly
suggest ending at 3 ) not 1-2-4-8-16, etc., as in a Martingale.

You still always win except on the second bet where you break
even. We long time players know how to appreciate being even.

Over time this practice can improve most systems by several
percentage points.

This system is also called the 'Cancellation' system.
There are many variations. In its simplest form, you write down a series or a
set of numbers; say, 1 2 3 4 5 6. The series can be short or long and not
necessarily sequential such as 1 1 1 3 3 5 7. The choice of a particular series
depends on the type of game you want to apply it to and the odds of the bet.

Each number represents the amount in units or chips to bet.
You bet the first and last of these numbers. In this example 1 and 6, which
totals 7 units.

If you win, you cross out the two numbers and bet the next
two 'ends' (the outside numbers). In this instance 2 and 5. If you win again you
bet on the next two remaining numbers 3 and 4, and if you win that too, you
would have made a 'coup' or completed one game. Then you start all over again.

If you lose, then you add that one number to the end of the
series. Say you lost your first bet of 7 units (1+6). Then you add number 7 to
the end of the series to look like this: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 and your next bet would
be 8 units ( 1+7). If you won the first bet but lost the second 2 and 5, then
the series of numbers would look like this: 2 3 4 5 7.

If you work it out, you will see that when the series is
completed or when you make a 'coup', there is always a profit. The negative side
of this system is that you could end up betting large sums of money even if your
initial bet is small.

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The Martingale system is a very old and extremely simple
system. It is based on the probability of losing *infinite* times in a row
and is usually applied to 'even money' bets.

You start with one bet. If you win, you start again with one
bet. If you lose, you double your bet. Each time you lose, you double your last
lost bet. Eventually you are bound to win. When you win you would recover all
your lost bets plus one unit (or chip) profit against your initial wager.

Although infallible in theory, the Martingale system requires
a large bankroll, has a very low return and is a very risky one because of the
maximum bet limits imposed by the casinos. If you run out of money or reach the
house limit, you can lose a lot with no chance to recover your losses.

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This system is similar to the Paroli system and has the
effect of 'pyramiding' your profit. Pyramiding is a parlay wager whereby the
original wager plus its winnings are played on successive wagers.

It is commonly used in horse racing betting. Basically you
make a bet and if you win you re-invest the winnings on the next bet. You 'let
it ride'.

This method of play is by no means risk free, but it offers
the least amount of risk of all wagers since the player is only concerned with
either a win, place or show selection or a combination of the three.

It is one of the oldest methods of wagering and was
originally derived from the same premise that banking systems use to compound
interest.

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This system is in a way the opposite of the Martingale
system. You start with one bet and you increase your bet when you win rather
than when you lose.

However, you will need to plan a betting procedure whereby
you know how far you will let the bet build before you take it down to the
initial starting bet and how much to raise after each win. This obviously
depends on the type of game played and the odds of the bet.

The advantage of this system is that you do not require a
large bankroll. It lets the profit run and cuts short the losses.

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** Pass / Don't
pass betting progression** This system was first featured by Gil Stead in the 1980's
newsletter THE CRAPSMEN.

First, you need 26 checks, all same denomination($1,$5,etc.). Take the first check (Bet A) and wager it on either Pass Line or Don't Pass Line.

If this bet is won, parlay it and wager both bet and win, or two units.

This is the heart of the system: one MUST back bet or parley the win.

Now if you are favored with a second win, you will of course be ahead.

Take your three extra checks and place them in the back (lock up) chip rack and start over again with one check.

Betting progression is as follows: 1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,7 (26 checks total).

Example: Bet A (1check): lost

Bet B (1check): lost

Bet C (1check): lost

Bet D (2checks): won

Bet E parlay (2 checks plus 2 checks won): won.

You're now ahead by two checks (28 checks total). Start over again with a one check bet.

Think about it.You have a total of nine opportunities (consecutive) before you limit your losses.You don't ever have to limit your winnings.

Richard G. Poirier

**Pass / Don't Pass
Odds progression**

This system progresses odds bets on either the Pass Line or Don't
Pass based on the value of a running count.

Keep track of the count as follows:

A point that passes counts as +3

A point that misses counts as -2

Naturals and craps count as 0. If the count exceeds 55 or -37
then the progression is lost and started over.

Anytime the odds bets show a net profit, the progression is
started over.

Michael

I win over and over playing this way. Please look it over.

I'm looking for your comments good or bad. Please post or e-mail them to
me.

Have I developed THE winning system { the one that overcomes the odds ad puts the odds in the players favor } or have I just been getting
lucky?

SYSTEM:

STREAKS -

Streaks of P and DP happening in a row, odds for each streak to continue are 50% less than the last streak.

EXAMPLE :

[ all examples will only go to a level of ten - P or DP occurring in a row - the math is the same no matter how far or near I take it - IT can
not change ]

10 in a row - will occur __1 time

09 in a row - will occur __2 times

08 in a row - will occur __4 times

07 in a row - will occur __8 times

06 in a row - will occur _16 times

05 in a row - will occur _32 times

04 in a row - will occur _64 times

03 in a row - will occur 128 times

02 in a row - will occur 256 times

01 in a row - will occur 512 times

Streaks of P and DP - 2036 total decisions

50% will be P and 50% will be DP.

Doubling your bet after a loss.

No matter where you end your doubling a bet after a loss you will lose.

EXAMPLE :

[ ending the doubling and taking a loss at 5 losing wagers in a row ]

Wagers

01 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -1 unit then wager

02 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -3 units then wager

04 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -7 units then wager

08 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -15 units then wager

16 unit__ win = plus 1 unit_ lose = -31 units

END

So playing the OPPOSITE of the prior decision, this is what will happen:

All streaks of

01 in a row-plus 1 unit

02 in a row-plus 1 unit

03 in a row-plus 1 unit

04 in a row-plus 1 unit

05 in a row minus 31 units

06 in a row minus 31 units

07 in a row minus 31 units

08 in a row minus 31 units

09 in a row minus 31 units

10 in a row minus 31 units

What happens when we look at the amount of streaks we will get when we play.

__1 streak of 10 in a row = minus _31 units 1x-31

__2 streaks of 9 in a row = minus _62 units 2x-31

__4 streaks of 8 in a row = minus 124 units 4x-

__8 streaks of 7 in a row = minus 248 units 8x-31

_16 streaks of 6 in a row = minus 496 units 16x-31

_32 streaks of 5 in a row = minus 992 units 32x-31

_64 streaks of 4 in a row = plus ___64 units 64x 1

128 streaks of 3 in a row = plus __128 units 128x 1

256 streaks of 2 in a row = plus __256 units 256x 1

512 streaks of 1 in a row = plus __512 units 512x 1

for a total of plus 960 units minus - 1953 units = minus - 993 units

As you can see betting on the opposite decision [ P / DP ] and doubling each losing wager until you win WILL lose you money.

Playing BOTH sides P and DP at the same time.

Play both sides at the same time increasing the wager on the side of P / DP that you have just lost a wager on and using the side that you won a
wager on as a BACK UP BET.

HOW:

Start by placing 1 unit on P AND DP [at the same time] then which ever
side WINS place a wager of one unit and on the side that LOST place a wager of 2 units.

If the side with 2 units wins your ahead 1 unit then place 1 unit on the winning side and go up to 2 units on the side that
lost, the one that only had 1 unit on it.

If the side that had 2 units on it lost keep only 1 unit on the winning side but increase your wager
on the losing side up to 3 units.

If the side that has the 3 units on it wins and the side with 1 unit loses you are ahead 1 unit, so place 1
unit on the side that won and 2 units on the side that lost.

If the side with 3 units on it loses and the side with 1 unit wins keep one unit on
the side that won and increase your wager on the losing side up to 5 units.

If the side with 5 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1
unit on the winning side and increase the losing side up to 2 units.

If the side with 5 units on it loses keep 1 unit on the side that won and
increase your wager up to 9 units on the losing side.

If the side with 9 units on it wins you are up 1 unit . Place 1 unit on that winning side
and increase the unit on the losing side up to 2 units.

If the side with 9 units loses we STOP HERE AND TAKE OUR LOSS! We are only down 15 units
NOT 31 units like we would be after 5 losses in a row if we were only playing ONE SIDE [ P or DP ] and doubling our wager after each loss.

WE ARE DOWN LESS THAN 50% of what we could be, talk about minimizing losses.

EXAMPLE: P wins then DP wins

__P____DP__

__1____1___ wager/ P wins DP loss= even

__1____2___ wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit

EXAMPLE: P wins P wins DP wins

__P____DP__

__1____1___ wager/ P wins DP lost= even

__1____2___ wager/ P wind DP lost= minus 1 unit

__1____3___wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit

EXAMPLE: P wins P wins P wins DP wins

__P____DP__

__1____1___ wager/ P wins DP lost= even

__1____2___ wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit

__1____3___ wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 3 units

__1____5___wager/ P lost DP wins = plus 1 unit

EXAMPLE: P wins P wins P wins P wins DP wins

__P____DP___

__1____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= even

__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit

__1____3____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 3 units

__1____5____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 7 units

__1____9____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit

EXAMPLE: P wins P wins P wins P wins P wins [ followed by a P or DP it will not make a
difference -this is where we end our losing streak]

__P____DP___

__1____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= even

__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit

__1____3____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 3 units

__1____5____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 7 units

__1____9____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 15 units

END

EXAMPLE: P wins DP wins DP wins P wins P wins P wins DP wins P wins P wins DP wins.

P-DP-DP-P-P-P-DP-P-P-DP

********************************

__P____DP___

__1____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= even

__1____2____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 1 unit

__2____1____wager/ P lost DP wins= even

__3____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 2 units

__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 1 unit

__1____3____wager/ P wins DP lost= minus 1 unit

__1____5____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 3 units

__2____1____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 4 units

__1____2____wager/ P wins DP lost= plus 3 units

__1____3____wager/ P lost DP wins= plus 5 units

Playing this way seems to work for every streak of P or DP 1-2-3 or 4 in a row your ahead 1 unit and for every streak of 5 or more you are down
15 units.

Let us look at what will happen in the long term [run] . When we look at the amount of streaks we will get.

Streaks of P and DP :

01 in a row = plus 1 unit

02 in a row = plus 1 unit

03 in a row = plus 1 unit

04 in a row = plus 1 unit

05 in a row = minus 15 units

06 in a row = minus 15 units

07 in a row = minus 15 units

08 in a row = minus 15 units

09 in a row = minus 15 units

10 in a row = minus 15 units

amount of streaks 50% P and 50% DP

Streaks of - in a row

01__512 ----- plus 512

02__256 ----- plus 256

03__128 ----- plus 128

04___64 ----- plus 64

total for streaks 1-4 = plus 960 units

******************************************

05__32 ----- 32 x minus 15 units = minus 480

06__16 ----- 16 x minus 15 units = minus 240

07___8 ----- 8 x minus 15 units = minus 120

08___4 ----- 4 x minus 15 units = minus 60

09___2 ----- 2 x minus 15 units = minus 30

10___1 ----- 1 x minus 15 units = minus 15

total for streaks 5-10 = minus 945 units

*************************************************

Grand total plus 960 units - minus 945 units = plus 15 units

That seems like a lot of work just for 15 units not to talk about the time that would take, but think about this will you really bust at 15
units every time? Will the method of play really go like this win 15 units then lose 15 units lose 15 units win 15 units and break even. NO.
When you bust 15 units you have to ADD the amount of units you won to get the TRUE amount of the bust. Say you won 12 units and then bust 15
units your TRUE bust is only 3 units or say you won 22 units and then bust 15 units your TRUE bust is really a win of 7 units.

So in a 50/50 game [ craps ] you have to look at what the average is in
the long run and that is your average bust WILL only be 7 1/2 [ 8 ] units playing this way and your average win will be 7 1/2 [ 8 ] units.
Now the great part.

Play what is called a 2-1-2-1 bankroll money management strategy along with what I have just shown you and you can not lose

A 2-1-2-1 strategy is easy what you do is break ALL your play into segments and win or lose you leave after a
segment and take a break and return later to start another segment.

But here is how you play each segment.

Bankroll required

You need 30 units- each unit MUST be at least the table minimum bet [ example; at a $ 1.00 table you need $ 30.00 at a $ 5.00 table you need
$150.00 ] per segment to be played also you NEED to be able to play AT LEAST 3 segments

Start segment one by playing the 1-2-3-5-9-unit progression with DOUBLE the wager
progression. Play 2-4-6-10-18 with 2 units on the other side as your back-up wager. Play this way until you win 30 units or bust [ your
average bust will be 50 % of segment money- 15 units ] .IF YOU WIN 30 UNITS: walk away and take a break or find another table to play at.

When you return to play this time [ your 2nd segment ] Play 1-2-3-5-9 unit progression with 1 unit as your back-up wager. IF YOU BUST : start
over playing 2-4-6- 10-18 unit progression with a 2 unit back-up wager again.

EVERY TIME YOU BUST START OVER WITH THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH THE 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.

EVERY TIME YOU WIN 15 UNITS ON YOUR 2ND SEGMENT START OVER PLAYING THE 2-4-6-10-18 PROGRESSION WITH A 2 UNIT BACK-UP WAGER.

So when you are playing the 2-4-6-10-18 progression your average bust will be 15 units and when you play the 1-2-3-5-9 progression your
average bust will be 8 units.

LETS SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN PLAYING THIS WAY

Over ANY two segments you can either,

win and win

win and lose

lose and win

lose and lose

win and win = plus 45 units [ 30 and 15 ]

win and lose = plus 22 units [ 30 and -8 avg. ]

lose and lose = minus 30 units [ -15 avg. and -15 avg. ]

lose and win = plus 15 units [ -15 avg. and 30 ]

WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE LONG TERM [ RUN]

Wins AND losses in a row :

[ a 50/50 game ]

EXPECTED WINS IN A ROW [ sample only to 5 ]

1. 16 W-L [ 30 - 8 avg. = 22 ]

2. 8 W-W-L [ 30/15 - 15 avg. = 30 ]

3. 4 W-W W-L [ 30/15/30 - 8 avg. = 67 ]

4. 2 W-W-W-W-L [ 30/15/30/15 - 15 avg. = 75 ]

5. 1 W-W-W-W-W-L [ 30/15/30/15/30 - 8 avg. = 112 ]

1. 16 x 22 = 352

2. 8 x 30 = 240

3. 4 x 67 = 268

4. 2 x 75 = 150

5. 1 x 112 = 112

total = 1122

EXPECTED LOSS IN A ROW [ sample only to 5 ]

1. 16 L-W [ -15 avg. and plus 30 = 15 ]

2. 8 L-L-W [ -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = 0 ]

3. 4 L-L-L-W [ -15 / -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = - 15 ]

4. 2 L-L-L-L-W [ -15 / -15 / -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = - 30 ]

5. 1 L-L-L-L-L-W [ -15 / -15 / -15 / -15 / -15 avg. and plus 30 = - 45

1. 16 x 15 = 240

2. 8 x 0 = 0

3. 4 x -15 = -60

4. 2 x -30 = -60

5. 1 x -45 = -45

total = 75 [ plus 240 - 0 - 60 - 60 - 45 = plus 75

So if what is expected to happen happens and it will [ over the long run with little variation swings in the short run ] YOU CAN NOT LOSE

P.S. about the bar

When playing this way the bar will have just a slight influence on your play.
When the pass line has a higher wager on it when the bar is rolled on the come out treat it as a lose and increase your wager
following the rules and when you win on the pass line you will BREAK EVEN not win 1 unit.

BUT if when the bar was rolled on the come out roll and you had a higher wager on it and did not get paid for the don't pass win just REPEAT the
wagers on the pass and don't pass line and when you win on the don't pass line you will also break even

George Herrlinger

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